Australasian Hardcourt Bike Polo Council

Hello interwebs, (walks in to room, puts paper onto lectern cough’s ones and acknowledges audience with a nod)

im shit and English here folks,

I have had some down time and have come up with a few things.
Most of the people in this section of the forum would of seen the debate in regards to the processes involved with selecting the host town for next years tournament.

There was alot of back and forth and in my mind boiled down to a lack of structure in the decision making process when it came to things such as tournaments etc.

There was mention of a proposed council, a council of players representing all of the region/areas of polo.
I have more or less ran with the idea. I acquired the domain name ahbpc.com.au (Australasian Hardcourt Bike Polo Council / Community / Champs). I am more the happy to hand it over to a group of people/the council to keep it up and running with content etc/ it is possible to set up a forum but might as well keep it on fixed.org

link attached.
Australasian Hardcourt Bike Polo Council

I is still a work in progress and is a wordpress based website which can have multiple contributors members from the council etc

Please note:
I have no intention in being involved with the council from a decision making perspective, I just want to get the ball rolling (this website might not even be needed who knows). Also this website is in no way an alternative point or hype machine to promote a GC national tournament (I am swiss when it comes to this website). If I have stepped over anyone’s feet by creating this website please let me know I am happy to pull it down and let things be as is.

Now to the finer points which im sure everyone will chip in.

  • How many council members do we have. Do we vote them members in?
  • What should they look after (rules, structuring of a tournament calendar, national tournaments etc)
  • the list goes on

Love the idea / Hate the idea,
Do we want to appear more legitimate in the public sporting domain? Is bike polo aus ready for a governing body/council a group of selected representatives who can organize and take the sport to the next level.

Cheers,
Performs a bud dwyer upon finishing speech

Theres already a fairly comprehensive discussion on LOBP about such a committee. Most of the references to a committee are probably reffering back to that.

Australian Hardcourt Representative Body | The League of Bike Polo

I think the name is one of the things still up in the air, but it seems at least that there will be 2 reps from each of the major cities, and the smaller cities can either have one rep or defer under a larger cities representation.

It might be best to try keep the conversation all in one spot to 1)avoid confusion and 2)so no good ideas get lost in between the forums.

That said, thanks for the hard work, i think your web and design skills are an extremely valuable asset to the committee/community as a whole, and itd be great if youd like to work with the committee on anything that requires such skills, if so required!

Without contradicting myself and extending the conversation here, I think that the committee name being AHBPC is potentially confusing if you are talking about the AHBPC (committee) organising the AHBPC (championship). But I like the train of thought. Maybe something like AHBPA (association) or AHBPPA (players association)?

Further discussion on LOBP? I think your input is really valuable even if you have no desire to be on the committee, its seems like you’ve got some good ideas…

OK, I’m going to throw my 2 cents in here as well.

Firstly, the name is inconsequential. The URL, however, I think is a great step in the right direction to getting that structured organisation set up and working for us.
I think that’s what is needed and a single place where this group can provide feedback is an essential part of communication.

I also think that fixed and LOBP are the two most valuable resources we have to aid this group. As someone new to using thse two forums (I’ve lurked on both for a while but felt the desire to speak up post nationals for whatever reason) I get the feeling that their is perception of factionism (which probably isn’t valid) between the two forums.
A separate page for the comittee removes any perception that they are anything other than an impartial group representing us.

If I have stepped over anyone’s feet by creating this website please let me know I am happy to pull it down and let things be as is.

I feel that you have just made a massively positive step.
I hope that no one else feels this is neccesary. Maybe a URL change if needed but that’s not even worth discussing yet.

[i]Now to the finer points which im sure everyone will chip in.

  • How many council members do we have. Do we vote them members in?
  • What should they look after (rules, structuring of a tournament calendar, national tournaments etc)
  • the list goes on

Love the idea / Hate the idea,
Do we want to appear more legitimate in the public sporting domain? Is bike polo aus ready for a governing body/council a group of selected representatives who can organize and take the sport to the next level. [/i]

We are all sounding like a bunch of people discussing politics because, unfortunately, to an extent we are. That doesn’t need to be scary, though, and it doesn’t need to cause problems.

I don’t see this as nasty, machivaelian politics beginning in our sport but, rather, the opportunity to have good, level minded people of our choosing consolidate all of the ideas that are bouncing around our forums and take positive action from them.

I think bad blood potentially develops because of the frustration at the lack of progress developing from our discussions. We’re currently treading water and some amazing enthusiasm and ideas are disappearing into threads and going nowhere else.

We have a page that needs content, 31st May has been proposed as a date to hand in your reps. Each locality with a club (i.e GC, Sydney, Brisbane etc etc) to vote or choose their own however they wish.

Let’s get some people in for the interim to decide what is most important to us, what they should be deciding to govern etc etc. At the end of the day the finer points they choose to address and in what order are going to reflect the opinions expressed on our two forums.

I think there’s no question that we’re ready for some manner of change, a governing body seems to be teh most logical step at this point. If it doesn’t work there’s not stopping us from scratching it and going back to the drawing board.

Sorry for another wordy rant but I’m getting frustrated that there is so much drive in this sport that is currently being wasted. Will try to stop with the ranty ranting now, promise.

Great work (again) Bennett. I think having a separate website is a great start (rather than mutliple threads on multiple websites).

I would really love to see GC represented in the committee. You guys have a lot to offer. However I understand completely if you really don’t want anything to do with it. I was feeling that way myself for a while. For the record, Brook and I were voted Sydney reps last night.

Wall, there is certainly some factionism from a few people related to fixed and LOBP. There has been a movement to direct people away from fixed and on to LOBP. Lately, aside from the few posts in Australasian section, there really hasn’t been a lot on LOBP that I want to read. I find myself checking it less and less. People not familiar with the site may struggle to even find the Australian content. The National site doesn’t have much on it besides tournament registration and results. I rarely look at it. We need a central site that tells people what is going on - rather than having to trawl through post after post to try to work it out for yourself. A lot of people I know have given up reading it - I’m a sucker for punishment I guess.

Not sure why we have a 31 May deadline - do people really need that much time?

Nice work Bennett. Lewis’ points are all on the mark. Fixed.org in the past has usually been about casual things such as playing times and discussions of parts. For tournaments, rules discussions and other organisational matters have been on LoBP. As Virginia said, GC are of course more than welcome to vote for a rep and would be welcome aboard.

I would agree with a site specifically for this body, as opposed to being lumped into the bikepolo.com.au website. It would be purely for information etc but it makes bike polo here more legit for things such as securing sponsorship, insurance and council approval. The current website bikepolo.com.au can remain as a blog etc for tournaments, playing times, and postings on the world aboard.

Virgina: Rob’s direction on the new website (from what he’s described) goes a long way to making it easier to navigate. I haven’t seen any concepts or screenshots yet but it seems like an improvement.

Brook you dick! you spelt my name wrong!!!

I meant LOBP was difficult to navigate to find Australian content - bikepolo.com.au is fine.

Agree with everything else you said though. Separate site would be way more legit.

It’s “Va…” not “Vir…”

:slight_smile:

Shut up Glen!

Hi all

I would like to first thank you Bennett for making a great start and I love the enthusiasm and drive

Problem is that this will fragment polo more, when we as a collective have been working really hard over the past few years to bring things together with posting, websites, communication and National tournaments. The steps forward with a new site seem to be in the opposite direction

For example, the national site bikepolo.com.au (full disclosure: which I help run) has turned itself around and removed all melbourne-specifics to become the National site with inter-city posters and is about to undergo a huge facelift to include better filtering for national/local posts. Most if not all city reps and anyone who has asked have accounts already, and we have gone out of our way to offer /pages and accounts for new cities (such as Canberra, GC etc)

The purpose of bikepolo.com.au is for Australasian Bike Polo news, events, organizational posts and a source of reference material.

I realise a new site might be what is most convenient right now but long term it just means more reposting articles to both sites (and to city-specific blogs?), less consistency and less attention

I would like to offer accounts to anyone who does not already have an account, and a /page on bikepolo.com.au for the Polo Council to edit, whatever it’s name becomes. For example bikepolo.com.au/council

Lets work together and bring things closer

Yah nice point Rob.

I guess at the moment .com.au is a little informal, lots of videos from overseas (which is mostly me, so i could stop that if people dont like it), but i think it would be great to involve the committee work on the same website. It centralizes the information and gives outsiders one major place to go to, to access all sorts of different info on Aus polo.

From where to find a local pickup game, nation wide results, organizational work, sponsorship opportunities. It could be REALLY amazing. It also makes a lot of since considering all the work that is going on behind the scenes to revamp the website at the moment. It might be counter intuitive to direct traffic AWAY from .com.au at this time, especially when its the address everyone is already familiar with for Australian polo.

Edit: after readying through things again, what if we kept everything at .com.au but kinda of made it a bit “business in the front, party in the back”. Maybe have a welcome page, click through, first main page is all official stuff, sponsorship opps, tourney results, worlds and nationals info etc, and then for those who are more interested they can navigate through the bar at the top to city playing times etc and a broader blog for the videos and stuff that go up at the moment?

Rob? Possible?

Thanks Lewis

Yeah the amount of videos are becoming more frequent than the Tournament news bit that’s more down to how WordPress works by default. We could make the Tournament posts sticky. Might be able to change this in the new site with filtering/tags/topics/views but we can take that offline to a separate discussion

Hey guys thanks for the feedback,

alot of positive ideas etc. Good to see it was a relevant topic to raise.

I am more then happy to keep working on the Idea/site.

in regards to the site or the direction of the idea.
bikepolo.com.au is definitely a great website/resource for the community you have mentioned the website converting over to cover national clubs and events. In my mind there is still a strong Melbourne influence when it comes to the website (some of the basic content and footer is still Melbourne based)

I guess I am proposing we open the flood gates a bit more and this is were a new website could come into play. We can have players from the entire community contributing, a fresh start were we can bring all of our knowledge and the lessons learned to the table. I am not suggesting we need to take down bikepolo.com.au , it will always be the corner stone of the online community. I think we just need to take it to the next level weather it be refreshing bikepolo.com.au or setting up an independent body/counsel to look over the hot topics.

please correct me if i am wrong in anyway.

Thanks for the reply Bennett!

In my mind there is still a strong Melbourne influence when it comes to the website (some of the basic content and footer is still Melbourne based)

Yes, this is what the site redesign will provide, and hopefully overcome these perceptions.

The difference between the conversion (melbourne->national) and a redesign (designed national from the beginning) will be huge. Each city will have their own /page and be able to post and filter articles based on their own city, or switch to the National view and see all articles from every city.

Using this filtering also allows us to see articles that relate to various topics, say Bike Polo Council, Videos, Tournaments

I have updated the footer (this was missed by our first sweep), and the rotating banner images are set to be replaced by images from all Australian cities in the new design

There will be quite a lot to do in WordPress and graphics, your skills would be really appreciated, would you like to help us build the new site?

Ok, Firstly Rob I have no idea what is happening with the website redesign except what’s posted here so I apologise if I’m pre empting where you’re headed with bikepolo.com.au (? something like that it just sits in my favourites…)

Ilike Bennet’s website because I think if we are going to have a council then I think we need to provide them a straight commentless newsfeed to report from.

The discussion can happen in forums but a “clean” space for the council to post news feed is essential, doesn’t matter where it’s hosted so long as that isn’t fixed.org or LOBP. Maybe the new format of the national site could be the perfect place to include this, I agree with Bennet, though, a new fresh space is needed for our new fresh face. A new site would achieve this but bikepolo.com.au could definitely achieve as well.

Not sure why we have a 31 May deadline - do people really need that much time?

Probably don’t Virginia but that was the date being bounced around LOBP figured I’d just stick with it.

There will be quite a lot to do in WordPress and graphics, your skills would be really appreciated, would you like to help us build the new site?

Please do Fella. Your graphics are kick arse and it’s a national site let’s get national input.
Kills the “Melbourne based” perception of the existing site and saves us putting yet another Aust. bike polo site on the net.
(I’m personally proposing that we call the council The People’s Socialist Representative Comittee for the Glorious Republic of Cyclical Polo jsut so I can see the graphic that you come up with. PSRCGRCP for short, rolls off the tongue)

I really am leaning towards support for a new site though, or at the every least we need to make sure that “business in front party at back” (lovely metaphor from the vegan) is built in an effective and useful manner to keep the council input separate and impartial.

+1000000000 points to myself for spelling it Virginia rather than Vaginia, so well behaved (Fuck you Marty for preying on my sense of mischief)

Oh, hang on I just did spell it that way…

Ilike Bennet’s website because I think if we are going to have a council then I think we need to provide them a straight commentless newsfeed to report from.

I absolutely agree with the need for a separate serious National website. The North American Hardcourt Association has one Welcome to North American Hardcourt! - this hasn’t destroyed or changed LOBP.

bikepolo.com.au can continue as it is - a reporting site for tournaments, registration and other news and discussion if people want. We need something separate and official.

For the name, I like Polo Enterprises National Information System or PENIS for short. Come on Bennett, show me a graphic!

I guess the main reason I see for keeping the two integrated is that I dont see that there is going to be HUGE amounts of information pouring out of the committee.
It will be things like “…and that Nationals is in…”, “6 spots announced for Worlds, these are the teams” “Newly confirmed National Ruleset”. And then after that, what more is there to say? Tournament schedule and result? These are already on bikepolo.com.au. I just think that making a brand new page to look official, isnt going to look very official with only 4 posts every 6 months.

The NAH page is great and fancy and all, but it is having EXACTLY this problem. It has 3 posts, and 2 of them are tourney results, and the page is now almost 4 months old. Add to that the fact that NA has way more tourneys going on, their committee is alot bigger than our proposed one, and is taking on much larger tasks then we have indicated is our intention.

If y’all want another site, this doesnt need to be another point of contention, so I dont wanna make it one, but yeah, at this point in time I personally just dont see it as neccessary.

Sorry for the delayed but i have had a little think about the points made on this topic and i still feel an independent website is needed . Bikepolo.com.au is an amazing website for news and info about the sport but i think an independent site is required to discuss the finer points of the sport.

mossko i am more then happy to help with the update to Bikepolo.com.au

We need to get a move on this soon or this topic will do stale

I honestly cant see the need for two websites. I can see what V is saying but we aren’t the NAH. Nowhere near their size! There is not enough newsfeed to warrant it. No matter how you try and justisfy it.

2 websites - very low content

1 website - moderate amount of content that gets the important information to the players.

Realistically if the polo council is to be started the bulk will be behind the scenes anyways (emails, skype etc.). Likewise most other news that concerns your local bike polo club will get to you via mediums already set up. i.e Facebook groups etc etc…

I am +1 for a facelift for bikepolo.com.au and a rethink of the pages contained within the website. Simplify things, don’t make it more difficult to get content/information to the people.

Who are you and what did you do with Gypsy.

Wow thanks Lewis and Gypsy

I am +1 for a facelift for bikepolo.com.au and a rethink of the pages contained within the website. Simplify things, don’t make it more difficult to get content/information to the people.

That’s just what we are working on. The current design was built years ago, lots has changed and polo has progressed. The new design has been rethought and planned out from the start to easily organise and sort information, clubs/cities and allow filtering of posts by category. Most importantly it allow a viewer to see Local City posts, or switch to a National view to see all posts

A landing/splash page could be on the cards for “first time viewers” or “new visitors” achieving Lewis’s /mullet/ analogy :smiley: It’s something we will be discussing this week and I definitely see the merit

There are already contributors from all over Aus - Lewis, Colin, Tom, Prawi, Neil, Gypsy, Antmandan, Donny and Virginia… I want to open the site up more to everyone to post and it’s something we’re working on

Bennett I sent you a PM so we can discuss further, we are keen to move away from the current design/layout pretty soon too and we’d love to have you on board

I have set up a /page on bikepolo.com.au as /ahbpc Bike Polo - anyone is welcome to edit this and take it on

The page name is changable - AHBPC is the acronym we have used for the National tournaments so it might be confusing