# international purchases. **URL:** \ **Category:** Help\ **Created:** [October 26, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315 "2010-10-26T15:32:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/1 "2010-10-26T15:32:13Z")
i’ve bought stuff from wiggle before, and chain reaction, and numerous record stores in the states. it’s always worked out pretty well. i don’t have any reason to doubt their authenticity. but now i’ve found a sweet deal on a frame at some online bike store in indonesia, and i’m hesitant. the site looks a bit average, and they don’t take credit cards - only paypal (which could be a good thing, actually). this raises a number of questions for me, questions i hope you good folks will be able to help me out with. 1. am i being racist? 2. should i take advantage of this sweet deal? 3. if the deal does turn out to be shonky, do i have any recourse to anyone anywhere? ---
**Author:** ![ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/ianhuman_xx/32/197_2.png) [@ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/u/ianhuman_xX)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/2 "2010-10-26T15:43:16Z")
I’ve never had to actually do it so you may want to double-check this, but I think this type of situation is where Paypal is very beneficial. If the goods arrive and there is any discrepancy, you can lodge a complaint with Paypal and the seller has to resolve it or your funds are refunded. Paypal is geared to the purchaser’s advantage, not the seller’s. One thing to make sure is that it’s not a fake Paypal site. They are very common, and very good at ripping you off. Chances are you’re being racist and it’s just a good deal. The Paypal [resolution process](https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=L18qMHbX4Lqh22LHDg7CH5ZNgvCT2hwf1QyJ1chFf7GtsgLG9ShN!-1169278894?locale=en_AU&_dyncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=AU&cmd=_help-ext&serverInstance=9012&t=solutionTab&ft=browseTab&ps=solutionPanels&solutionId=15254&isSrch=Yes) looks to be pretty good, and assuming your reasons for ever wanting a refund were vaild, I would doubt you’d have a problem getting one. ---
**Author:** ![sir\_kev](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/sir_kev/32/191_2.png) [@sir\_kev](https://fixed.org.au/u/sir_kev)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/3 "2010-10-26T16:09:25Z")
Drop Satya a line: [http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/t12871/](http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/t12871/) and see if he knows the folks behind the store. Might help put your mind at ease. ---
**Author:** ![alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/alexb618/32/23_2.png) [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/4 "2010-10-26T16:20:34Z")
what is the store? there are some shady websites out of indo but there are a few legit ones… ---
**Author:** ![Imobia](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/i/58956e/32.png) [@Imobia](https://fixed.org.au/u/Imobia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/5 "2010-10-26T16:31:52Z")
it would be nice to know what the website is, you can use whois services on the web to verify the site and who owns it. It can even tell you how long the sites been registered if its only been there a few weeks it sounds dodgy else if its been there years then it could be ok. The other advantage is whois often lists a phone or contact of the person who registured the site. of instance here is the link the the Australian register [Registry Portal :: Whois Lookup](http://whois.ausregistry.net.au) ---
**Author:** ![HeavyMetalCyclist](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/heavymetalcyclist/32/209_2.png) [@HeavyMetalCyclist](https://fixed.org.au/u/HeavyMetalCyclist)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/6 "2010-10-26T16:37:08Z")
I think it also depends on how much the frame is. Inherent risk intensifies the more money spent. But you are probably being racist. What is the frame? ---
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/7 "2010-10-26T16:42:17Z")
> [@alexb618](#): > > what is the store? [.: King Cycle :.](http://www.kingcycle.net/) ---
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:42pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/8 "2010-10-26T16:42:55Z")
> [@brendan](#): > > [.: King Cycle :.](http://www.kingcycle.net/) also if they’re suddenly out of 58cm pinarellos, i’ma be shitty with all of you. ---
**Author:** ![alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/alexb618/32/23_2.png) [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:43pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/9 "2010-10-26T16:43:52Z")
ive looked into king cycle before, couldnt find much about them and got bad vibes so i just left it at that ---
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/10 "2010-10-26T16:45:31Z")
yeah, that’s the vibe i get too. you know what people say about something that looks too good to be true… ---
**Author:** ![ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/ianhuman_xx/32/197_2.png) [@ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/u/ianhuman_xX)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/11 "2010-10-26T16:55:52Z")
> [@brendan](#): > > yeah, that’s the vibe i get too. you know what people say about something that looks too good to be true… Strange, I get the opposite. Looks like way too much work has gone into that site to rip people off for a couple of months. They have plenty of info on their contact page, why not send them email inquiring about international shipping and see what vibe you get from the reply? Obviously it’s not impossible for a spammer to send a nice reply, but often one-on-one contact can help in making a decision like this. And don’t forget that you’re protected to some extent through Paypal. ---
**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/12 "2010-10-26T16:57:18Z")
Domain Name: [KINGCYCLE.NET](http://KINGCYCLE.NET) Registrar: DIRECTI INTERNET SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. D/B/A [PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM](http://PUBLICDOMAINREGISTRY.COM) Whois Server: [whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com](http://whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com) Referral URL: [Public Domain Registry | Home](http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com) Name Server: [NS1.KINGCYCLE.NET](http://NS1.KINGCYCLE.NET) Name Server: [NS2.KINGCYCLE.NET](http://NS2.KINGCYCLE.NET) Status: clientTransferProhibited Updated Date: 30-jul-2010 Creation Date: 15-jun-2010 Expiration Date: 15-jun-2011 ---
**Author:** ![lsr](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/58956e/32.png) [@lsr](https://fixed.org.au/u/lsr)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:02pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/13 "2010-10-26T17:02:51Z")
> [@brendan](#): > > yeah, that’s the vibe i get too. you know what people say about something that looks too good to be true… Nah, looks legit as, I for one trust ibra’s post in this thread [Australian Cycling Forums • View topic - Anyone bought from http://kingcycle.net/ ?](http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32072) ---
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/14 "2010-10-26T17:10:45Z")
> [@ianhuman\_xX](#): > > They have plenty of info on their contact page, why not send them email inquiring about international shipping and see what vibe you get from the reply? . yeah, i sent them an email about sizing and they got back to me right away. the email was pretty solid. but fuck, those prices are a good $1000 less than everywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/alexb618/32/23_2.png) [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/15 "2010-10-26T17:13:10Z")
best thing you could do is a test purchase of something worth a cpl hundred (or however much you can afford to lose) and see if it rocks up ---
**Author:** ![ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/ianhuman_xx/32/197_2.png) [@ianhuman\_xX](https://fixed.org.au/u/ianhuman_xX)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/16 "2010-10-26T17:13:35Z")
> [@lsr](#): > > Nah, looks legit as, I for one trust ibra’s post in this thread [Australian Cycling Forums • View topic - Anyone bought from http://kingcycle.net/ ?](http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32072) That thread is awesome. Yeah, maybe side-step this one Brendan. ---
**Author:** ![tom](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/tom/32/141_2.png) [@tom](https://fixed.org.au/u/tom)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/17 "2010-10-26T17:14:40Z")
- [King Cycle Indonesia Web Sales - thehubsa.co.za](http://www.thehubsa.co.za/forum/topic/78980-king-cycle-indonesia-web-sales/) ---
**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:15pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/18 "2010-10-26T17:15:14Z")
> [@alexb618](#): > > best thing you could do is a test purchase of something worth a cpl hundred (or however much you can afford to lose) and see if it rocks up yeah, that’s a pretty good plan. i’ll have a look. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Commuter](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/captain_commuter/32/16_2.png) [@Captain\_Commuter](https://fixed.org.au/u/Captain_Commuter)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 10:57pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/19 "2010-10-26T22:57:17Z")
> [@brendan](#): > > i’ve bought stuff from wiggle before, and chain reaction, and numerous record stores in the states. it’s always worked out pretty well. i don’t have any reason to doubt their authenticity. > > but now i’ve found a sweet deal on a frame at some online bike store in indonesia, and i’m hesitant. the site looks a bit average, and they don’t take credit cards - only paypal (which could be a good thing, actually). > > this raises a number of questions for me, questions i hope you good folks will be able to help me out with. > > 1. am i being racist? > 2. should i take advantage of this sweet deal? > 3. if the deal does turn out to be shonky, do i have any recourse to anyone anywhere? Pretty sure a mate bought a bunch of DA stuff from this mob a while back, he was happy with the deal - among other things they sent the wrong length crankset initially, replaced it with the correct length without asking for the wrong one back (in which case it’s a wonder they’re still in business but there you go) ---
**Author:** ![gravity](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/gravity/32/430_2.png) [@gravity](https://fixed.org.au/u/gravity)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315/20 "2010-10-27T03:28:37Z")
Is there any reason they can sell cheap? I know that they have Araya’s factory in Indonesia but I’m pretty sure they don’t manufacture Cervelo in Indonesia. I once emailed a store in Indonesia called [yopisuyudi.com](http://yopisuyudi.com) about their stuffs, and yes they replied promptly. But when I asked about how they get to sell cheap and why is there words around the net saying that their scam. They didn’t reply that one. I say don’t buy it. It’s a scam. And this is also a reason why some US websites don’t ship to Indo. [Next page](https://fixed.org.au/t/international-purchases/48315.md?page=2)