Australian Cycling Forums • View topic - WTS - BNE Llewellyn 55cm
Thats rad for the price, your size to jlo.
weighs like 15kg. Ask Dayne he went and checked it out in person when it was on ebay 6 months ago. its made from heavy heavy heavy MTB tubes.
mtb tubes eh? kinda want, but i have no money.
Would make a rad commuter
Ok … I’ll bite.
Did dayne weigh the bike? What parts were on it? How accurate is his call?
I just find it hard to believe such a subjective claim can be valid.
Its tange infinity tubing The original owner who is the zipp and profile importer weighed it for me i think it was just over 12kg as a single speed.
It was made by Darrell but for another bike shop as a training bike and the shop supplied their own tubes and was not stamped llewellyn and put on his register nor stiicked llewellyn.
It is nice but was way to heavy for me to build a nice roadie like dan said it would make a nice commuter.
I find it interesting that the weight has dropped 3kg’s overnight. Still you’ve written without certainty that it weighs 12kg. Curious to know how it now has Llewellyn stickers if made unbranded. I haven’t seen Darrell in these pages but it’d be good to hear what he has to say about this frame rather than 3 or 4th hand versions which we know can vary in consistency (if he could be bothered - I understand why he would be meh!).
I had a look at the Tange tubing specs and it appears that Infitnity MTB tubeset was offered only in oversize diameter’s of which this is clearly not such material. I can only then assume that it was the regular road sized Infinity which isn’t at all bad or a particularly heavy tubing. It’s listed as double butted 0.9/0.6/0.9mm and is the same as Tange # 2 (and Columbus SL). The seat tube should be for a 27.2 seatpost or 27.0mm if it slightly imperfect or wasn’t reamed well. Infinity tubing is seamed which doesn’t really mean anything in the real world other than it’s cheaper to produce and weighs a hair more than rolled/drawn seamless. Infinity also has longer butted sections which will add some weght. It’s always hard to compare data of tubesets but a Infinity tubing frame of average size like this one should weigh at maximum about 300 grams heavier than a Columbus SL or Tange 900 frame (all lugs and fittings being equal). The steerer, blades and stays are all abut the same thicknesses.
Given that it was built as a shop or training bike it’s not uncommon to use whatever lugs were at hand which may have been a little heavier and not as trimmed or thinned as usual. That’s still only adds a little weight.
Quite a few better quality Repco’s and Nishiki’s were made form Infinity and some of them were quoted as being sub 10kg’s at the time. Real world weights always differ of course but I find it hard to believe it’s as heavy as being written about here, especially without derailleurs. At it’s thinnest point (0.6mm) Infinity tubing is thinner than an eggshell.
Not that much of it really matters - most people wouldn’t know the difference when riding it. Famously, Bicycle Guide magazine did a comparison test using 4 different tubesets all built by the same builder using the same geo & lugs. After they tested them all, back to back on the same roads, the editors and testers preferred the heaviest tubed frame and were surprised as they thought it was the highest/lightest spec tubing.
Similarly, without lifting a bike I’d doubt there’s a handful of people here who could consistently discern a frame made from different weight tubing. One of the finest riding frames I’ve ever been on was a gaspipe Peugeot - so go figure. Material alone doesn’t indicate as much as people think. Kinda like as schoolkids when we argued Porsche vs. Ferrari, we may never know unless we have the $'s and also the Nurburgring all to ourselves.
Which brings me back to say it hardly matters what it’s made of but by who, and if a frame is made by one of the world’s finest here in oz (yes, you could shake the hand of the man who built it) is poo-poo’d as being too heavy and deemed not collectible then I’m a little more than surprised. Given that our only source of info on this frame was certain his Farleigh was a Fiorelli till last week I can’t help but ask are you sure about the history and certain of your claims? I apologize if you feel I’m jumping on your case but I merely wish to clarify as we all know misinformation and myth and fokelore has a way of quickly becoming fact in the vintage and collectible bike world if repeated often enough. Someone who has half read these pages could incorrectly spout “all Llewellyn frame’s are heavy” to the new generation and before you know it I’ll have a collection of pig iron Llewellyn’s in my shed and be the happiest man ever.
Sounds like someone has nabbed it.
This is all information from Darryl I spoke to him about this frame he said it is not in his logs because he didn’t want to badge it a Llewellyn as it was a training bike for a shop the stickers were added later.
If you need the full story give dazza a ring.
I should have never bloody posted it.
you should have bought it and saved everyone the fuss. 