# The Coffee Thread

**URL:** <https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949>\
**Category:** Pub\
**Created:** [October 23, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949 "2009-10-23T19:44:00Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![EzyLee](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/ezylee/32/142_2.png) [@EzyLee](https://fixed.org.au/u/EzyLee)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/81 "2009-10-27T21:44:14Z")

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Calm down. Have another espresso.

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**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/82 "2009-10-27T21:49:25Z")

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Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.

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**Author:** ![el\_Brado](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/el_brado/32/99_2.png) [@el\_Brado](https://fixed.org.au/u/el_Brado)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/83 "2009-10-27T21:54:21Z")

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> [@P!N20](#):
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> > [@johnnychimpo](#):
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> > > [@P!N20](#):
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> > > > What a legend! I’m going to hassle her…
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> > > As a result of this thread, I wonder if she’s thinking, “why am I getting so many calls from hipsters?” :lol:
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> > Thanks champ 😃
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> > I don’t think a hipster would fork out money for a coffee machine and in doing so reduce opportunities to push his/her (hipsterette?) down to the nearest sufficiently hip coffee shop
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> Good point. Can you NJS walk a coffee machine?
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> El Brado, she claims the factory did not burn down and they are still being made to the original design in the original factory. [http://www.atomiccoffeemakers.com.au/faq.php](http://www.atomiccoffeemakers.com.au/faq.php)

Yeah - I saw that. Only problem is every she is only person saying it didn’t burn down. That and nobody else anywhere in the world is selling new genuine Atomics (that I could find).

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**Author:** ![hamishf](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/hamishf/32/201_2.png) [@hamishf](https://fixed.org.au/u/hamishf)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/84 "2009-10-27T21:57:00Z")

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the new ones are NJS stamped

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**Author:** ![stk101](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@stk101](https://fixed.org.au/u/stk101)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/85 "2009-10-27T22:15:20Z")

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> [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
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> Finally a thread where I think I have knowledge to contribute instead of just to absorb. Maybe I can sub in for Coffee on occasion.
> 
> ^ Yeah - commercial descaler is good, but make sure you’re doing it right. Plus a normal backflush with detergent (if your machine can do it) about once a week is good too.
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> I started with a breville cafe roma - Feel free to ask questions about that if you have one or are looking to get one. I got a decent cup out of it toward the end.
> 
> Best investment I ever made was a sunbeam grinder. EM0450 (i think) - Its the plastic version of the EM0480 and has the exact same internals, and cheaper, just no nice stainless.
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> Since then I’ve upgraded to a BFC machine and a better grinder. The BFC is plumbed in, rotary pump, 1-group, and a 4L boiler. 😃
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> I can’t see myself upgrading soon… Ok, so maybe a Kony or Robur would be nice.

Agreed, the cafe roma is a very cheap and cheerful start. I had mine for 6+ years. I could get almost-microfoam out of it.

Don’t backflush them as they dont have a three-way valve to vent the pressure… you’ll only end up damaging it. Descale is cool. I used citric acid but was then advised to only use a commercial cleaner as acids like citric and vinegar will etch the aluminium bits : ie the thermoblock.

+1 (again on the grinder)

Your machine sounds awesome! (really ‘only’ a boiler or is it a HX?) and Haha re: the grinders you mentioned… that’s some serious cash.

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**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/86 "2009-10-27T22:24:18Z")

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HX machine, like most small commercials. No separate steam boiler. I lust for a 1gr marzocco or a Kees van der westen speedster though.

I never backflushed the breville, only the new commercial one. But I could get microfoam on it. Takes a bit longer than my new machine though.

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**Author:** ![coffee](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/coffee/32/163_2.png) [@coffee](https://fixed.org.au/u/coffee)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:41pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/87 "2009-10-27T22:41:17Z")

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> [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
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> Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.

Yep. I’ve got access to 1kg, 5kg, and 120kg roasters. And tons of single origin AA specialty coffees.

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**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/88 "2009-10-27T22:57:35Z")

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120kgs :-o

Puts my popcorn maker to shame.

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**Author:** ![p.m](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/p.m/32/120_2.png) [@p.m](https://fixed.org.au/u/p.m)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/89 "2009-10-27T23:03:55Z")

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> [@coffee](#):
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> > [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
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> > Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.
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> Yep. I’ve got access to 1kg, 5kg, and 120kg roasters. And tons of single origin AA specialty coffees.

this coffee stuff is like hipster underbelly :mrgreen:

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**Author:** ![ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/48db29/32.png) [@ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/u/ol_boozeroony)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/90 "2009-10-27T23:39:35Z")

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I’m rocking the cafe roma at home. I am heading down this arv to get yet another group seal for the thing cause it keeps chewing them up. I try to keep the grounds off the sealing edge on the basket but I still keep ripping the seal to shreds after a few months. to get a decent cup out of it you really have to pack it right up to the lip.  
has anyone found a cheap source of seals for these? online perhaps?

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**Author:** ![coffee](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/coffee/32/163_2.png) [@coffee](https://fixed.org.au/u/coffee)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/91 "2009-10-27T23:42:48Z")

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> [@the p.m](#):
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> > [@coffee](#):
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> > > [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
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> > > Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.
> > 
> > Yep. I’ve got access to 1kg, 5kg, and 120kg roasters. And tons of single origin AA specialty coffees.
> 
> this coffee stuff is like hipster underbelly :mrgreen:

we actually sold a machine and some coffee to tony mokbel… he never paid it off!

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**Author:** ![coffee](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/coffee/32/163_2.png) [@coffee](https://fixed.org.au/u/coffee)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/92 "2009-10-27T23:45:04Z")

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> [@ol boozeroony](#):
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> I’m rocking the cafe roma at home. I am heading down this arv to get yet another group seal for the thing cause it keeps chewing them up. I try to keep the grounds off the sealing edge on the basket but I still keep ripping the seal to shreds after a few months. to get a decent cup out of it you really have to pack it right up to the lip.  
> has anyone found a cheap source of seals for these? online perhaps?

do you have a grinder? if you do you could try a finer grind instead of upping the dose so much…

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**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/93 "2009-10-27T23:46:02Z")

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> [@the p.m](#):
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> > [@coffee](#):
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> > > [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
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> > > Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.
> > 
> > Yep. I’ve got access to 1kg, 5kg, and 120kg roasters. And tons of single origin AA specialty coffees.
> 
> this coffee stuff is like hipster underbelly :mrgreen:

That’s what I thought when I was handing a zip lock bag of brown to a barista at my local cafe… Just for a ‘taste’.

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**Author:** ![Captain\_Commuter](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/captain_commuter/32/16_2.png) [@Captain\_Commuter](https://fixed.org.au/u/Captain_Commuter)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/94 "2009-10-27T23:48:48Z")

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> [@coffee](#):
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> > [@the p.m](#):
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> > > [@coffee](#):
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> > > > [@Cafe de Keirin](#):
> > > >
> > > > Anyone here roast? I have some Brazil and Ethiopian greens calling my name at the moment.
> > > 
> > > Yep. I’ve got access to 1kg, 5kg, and 120kg roasters. And tons of single origin AA specialty coffees.
> > 
> > this coffee stuff is like hipster underbelly :mrgreen:
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> we actually sold a machine and some coffee to XXXX XXXXXX… he never paid it off!

are we allowed to mention him in Victoria yet?

edit: x-lated for VIC readers

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**Author:** ![ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/48db29/32.png) [@ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/u/ol_boozeroony)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/95 "2009-10-27T23:52:56Z")

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> [@coffee](#):
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> do you have a grinder? if you do you could try a finer grind instead of upping the dose so much…

Yeah - I settled on the grind I’m on now after having it a bit finer initially but maybe I should try the finer grind again without filling the basket right up. thx for the suggestion.

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**Author:** ![stk101](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@stk101](https://fixed.org.au/u/stk101)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/96 "2009-10-28T01:38:53Z")

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> [@ol boozeroony](#):
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> I’m rocking the cafe roma at home. I am heading down this arv to get yet another group seal for the thing cause it keeps chewing them up. I try to keep the grounds off the sealing edge on the basket but I still keep ripping the seal to shreds after a few months. to get a decent cup out of it you really have to pack it right up to the lip.  
> has anyone found a cheap source of seals for these? online perhaps?

The only easy source for the seals I found was the Breville service agents listed ontheir website. The one in Ashburton was happy to post them out to me. I think I bought three last time, so I didn’t have to keep going back to them. Watch that the bakelite collar doesn’t crack too - it’s a common flaw and I went through two of them in the time I used my Cafe Roma. You’ll know when it does…

+1 to finer grind, dose less. And get a decent tamper too to make sure that you’re making the most of what you’re dosing into the basket - the plastic tamper is’nt up to the job. Oh, and the unpressurised basket is larger than the standard single, which also helps (hint, hint, get an unpressurised basket).

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**Author:** ![Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/user_avatar/fixed.org.au/cafe_de_keirin/32/310_2.png) [@Cafe\_de\_Keirin](https://fixed.org.au/u/Cafe_de_Keirin)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/97 "2009-10-28T03:54:46Z")

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If you want you can take the dodgy option and drill out the bottom layer of the std basket to unpressurise it. Just don’t drill through both layers. It helps if you have a sharp bit and a drill press.

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**Author:** ![ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/48db29/32.png) [@ol\_boozeroony](https://fixed.org.au/u/ol_boozeroony)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/98 "2009-10-28T05:15:03Z")

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Yea you’ve been there too Stk - the collar (or ramp as service guy called it) went on me last year. still it was easy and cheap to fix.

So you can get standard baskets that fit these without the double wall? I’ve been meaning to look into this.  
I did attempt to hack the double shot one apart but gave up before totally writing it off.

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**Author:** ![stk101](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@stk101](https://fixed.org.au/u/stk101)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/99 "2009-10-28T14:53:30Z")

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> [@ol boozeroony](#):
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> Yea you’ve been there too Stk - the collar (or ramp as service guy called it) went on me last year. still it was easy and cheap to fix.
> 
> So you can get standard baskets that fit these without the double wall? I’ve been meaning to look into this.  
> I did attempt to hack the double shot one apart but gave up before totally writing it off.

Yup, the standard basket is a part from an earlier Breville model. From memory, the code for the part is the ESP 2/51. It’s a single cup basket (Breville call it a 1/2 cup). Don’t buy the double basket (3-4 cup) as it’s too deep for your group handle. I got mine from the Breville factory outlet in Huntingdale (MEL), but it was aparently their last one. I’ve heard of others who have got one via mail directly from Breville. Mine cost me $9.

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**Author:** ![brendan](https://fixed.org.au/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brendan](https://fixed.org.au/u/brendan)\
**Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/the-coffee-thread/41949/100 "2009-10-28T16:39:17Z")

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coffee made me an espresso at his work the other day.

one of the best i’ve ever had.

like he said - beans don’t come much fresher…

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