The proposal has merit, given that we have the capacity for much more visibility compared to someone driving a car. However I cannot ever see something similar being proposed here
I think it’s a good idea. I also think being able to turn left on a red is a good idea too. However, most Australians are shit drivers and a lot of cyclists are just as bad. These things only work if people are responsible, so I don’t see it happening, and the anti cycling lobby would kick up a stink over it as well.
Driving home from Docklands at 10pm last night, I was really surprised at how many cyclists had no lights at all… it was well over 50%.
I’d argue that red lights -> stop signs, stop signs -> give way, and give way -> give way. The efficiency argument is good, but I’d also argue that bicycle riders have far more visibility and thus can make better decisions about when to stop and go. Lights and signs make the road safer for cars, not bikes.
Doesn’t this only work if all roads at an intersection are visible from a great distance? I’m sure it works well on the plains of country Idaho but nowhere else.
Also, in Canberra we have these magic things called “roundabouts”. They’re pretty cool and you don’t need to stop if you’ve right of way.
Indeed, but the “give way to traffic already on roundabout…to avoid a collision” law amounts to the same thing. ie, if a vehicle is on the roundabout and coming at you (from the right) don’t pull in front of it cos you’ll get hit. if it’s to your left, feel free to pull out cos it’ll have to come all the way around to hit you, at which point you’re on the roundabout and they have to give way to avoid a collision.
It’s easy just to saw give way to the right: while not semantically correct, in essence it’s pretty right.
I intially thought I was going to have look something up on Urban Dictionary…
Anyway, i like the idea. It will never happen because WE DON’T PAY FOR THE ROADS (that was sar-chasm).
As for roundabouts, I reckon I have maybe 10 on my ride to work. I get pulled out on at least three of them a day by people (well Mum’s in 4WD’s / SUV’s) who don’t look to the right (well they do, and they’ll stop for cars, but us cyclists have gotta stop for them right, I mean that’s what we have brakes for…!). It’s funny that it’s not a law, but common sense to give way to the right. I might buy a shitty car, and just try and plow through the next BMW / Audi / Lexus SUV that doesn’t give way to the right at a roundabout. Also, while I’m on that, do you think a lot of drivers have trouble judging the speed we’re going?
I reckon its due substantially to drivers not being able to judge speed we are going. Until i started riding, I think I struggled with judging cyclists speed when I was driving.
Yep… I used to commute home via a hill where cars would sit at the bottom waiting to turn right, across your path, and you could see them doing the ‘will I wait or will I go thing’, and then they’d pull out across your path and turn right anyway. You’d then have to jam the brakes on to avoid broadsiding them… it’s a fucking circus!
haha, that’s what i was thinking.
yeah, this idea is a good one and some peoplemay do this already.
sadly, this being australia, and australia being the land of half-wit car worship, anything that could be perceived as benefitting a cyclist over a motor vehicle will be shot down rapidly and vigorously.