# to straggler or not.
**URL:** https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060
**Category:** CX/MTB
**Created:** [February 2, 2014, 9:23pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060 "2014-02-02T21:23:44Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 3
### Author:  [@Bigadz](https://fixed.org.au/u/Bigadz)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/41 "2014-06-13T20:22:19Z")
> [@mansolwota](#):
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> I’m interested in the discussion on rockNroads above as I’m getting pinch flats on almost every longish dirt rides I do (using ritchey cx tires, probably asking too much of them)
You probably need to stop keeping up with mountain bikers 😛
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### Author:  [@Seb](https://fixed.org.au/u/Seb)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/42 "2014-06-13T20:27:50Z")
> [@Bigadz](#):
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> You probably need to stop keeping up with mountain bikers 😛
Haha. I’m possibly doing a deal with another FOAer to get his mtb. We’ll see…
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### Author:  [@Bigadz](https://fixed.org.au/u/Bigadz)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 8:35pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/43 "2014-06-13T20:35:39Z")
nice one!
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### Author:  [@MikeD](https://fixed.org.au/u/MikeD)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 8:42pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/44 "2014-06-13T20:42:33Z")
> [@mansolwota](#):
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> Well I’ll keep on with the cross check love vibe… I do all of the above + bunch riding and road races on it.
> (I’m eagerly waiting for my Kumo for all roadie duties though)
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> The cross check will then take on dirt duties only. I’m interested in the discussion on rockNroads above as I’m getting pinch flats on almost every longish dirt rides I do (using ritchey cx tires, probably asking too much of them)
size up!
[http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/](http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/)
a crosscheck will fit a 50c no?
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### Author:  [@Seb](https://fixed.org.au/u/Seb)
#### Post date: [June 13, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/45 "2014-06-13T21:31:48Z")
> [@MikeD](#):
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> size up!
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> [http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/](http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/)
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> a crosscheck will fit a 50c no?
Cheers, thats a good thread. I think the cross check would take 50 c but that would prbably be the limit (i think surly says 48c or so). Those rockNroads look damn nice.
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### Author:  [@Marc](https://fixed.org.au/u/Marc)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/46 "2014-06-14T00:54:07Z")
> [@mansolwota](#):
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> Cheers, thats a good thread. I think the cross check would take 50 c but that would prbably be the limit (i think surly says 48c or so). Those rockNroads look damn nice.
Looking at a bit of mud clearence I wouldnt go wider than my Rock N Roads which are 43mm. The MTB guys in my area are quite surprised what this bike is able to do 😉 Love it!
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### Author:  [@larfinboy](https://fixed.org.au/u/larfinboy)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 12:57am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/47 "2014-06-14T00:57:50Z")
> [@amishf](#):
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> I would see no reason not to get one. I freakin love my cross check
Dropouts are weird and could be a proper PITA, at least they will work with fenders.
Fork is cool with all the mounts.
Building this for a friend. It’s pretty much finished now, just need to tweak up front brake:
And Ive had a set of 29x2.0 Big Apples on Sun CR18s in this frame. Bags of room.
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### Author:  [@Marc](https://fixed.org.au/u/Marc)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/48 "2014-06-14T00:58:35Z")
> [@JICE](#):
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> and it still has the super short headtube of the CrossCheck but other than that I can’t fault it.
…btw, anyone knows the reason why they are sticking to these short headtubes? If there was one thing I’d change it would be the headtube. It works just fine but you are forced to use more than usual spacers and I wonder if theres a reason for it. Stiffness may be a point but that should be doable with a bit of a longer headtube as well.
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### Author:  [@larfinboy](https://fixed.org.au/u/larfinboy)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/49 "2014-06-14T01:03:04Z")
Head tube is not exactly super short. On the short side perhaps.
My Some ES and DC both have long head tubes compared to the Straggler & Crosscheck.
Probably to do with Surly’s fat tyre obsession and having more angle on the downtube and taller forks.
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### Author:  [@DICE](https://fixed.org.au/u/DICE)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/50 "2014-06-14T01:15:39Z")
> [@MikeD](#):
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> size up!
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> [http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/](http://www.fixed.org.au/forums/f36/fat-tires-40-45-gravel-road-everything-between-31176/)
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> a crosscheck will fit a 50c no?
Front easy. Back not so much, as you have to deflate the tyres to get them and run the axle further back in the dropouts. The whole deflating tyres to fit in frame is a faffing PITA. Largest I’d consider going with my CC would be the 42-43c ballpark.
> [@Marc](#):
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> …btw, anyone knows the reason why they are sticking to these short headtubes? If there was one thing I’d change it would be the headtube. It works just fine but you are forced to use more than usual spacers and I wonder if theres a reason for it. Stiffness may be a point but that should be doable with a bit of a longer headtube as well.
Two reasons as far as I can work out 1) Aesthetic. So that the frame has a horisontal TT. ‘classic’ look yeh. 2) cos lots of Fred commuters run flatbars with them. Same reason for Pomps having short HTs too.
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### Author:  [@AL9000](https://fixed.org.au/u/AL9000)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/51 "2014-06-14T04:11:55Z")
> [@JICE](#):
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> One reason
Coz surly.
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### Author:  [@DICE](https://fixed.org.au/u/DICE)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 4:22am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/52 "2014-06-14T04:22:45Z")
Yeah, you’re probably right about that AL.
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### Author:  [@lokione](https://fixed.org.au/u/lokione)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 4:26am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/53 "2014-06-14T04:26:18Z")
Yo Al!! You seem to be knower of all things “braze-on”… Straggler Vs Macho Man whats your thoughts?
$50 between them for frame/fork so nothing really, I like the front rack braze-on on the the Straggler fork and the pink paint over the orange to be honest so really not much between them…
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### Author:  [@larfinboy](https://fixed.org.au/u/larfinboy)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/54 "2014-06-14T21:30:56Z")
I was looking at Macho Man disc last night over a Straggler.
Orange is the new black.
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### Author:  [@Rhino](https://fixed.org.au/u/Rhino)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2014, 7:15pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/55 "2014-06-15T19:15:44Z")
Rawland Drakar???
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### Author:  [@DICE](https://fixed.org.au/u/DICE)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/56 "2014-06-15T20:16:00Z")
> [@lokione](#):
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> Yo Al!! You seem to be knower of all things “braze-on”… Straggler Vs Macho Man whats your thoughts?
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> $50 between them for frame/fork so nothing really, I like the front rack braze-on on the the Straggler fork and the pink paint over the orange to be honest so really not much between them…
I prefer the Marco Man’s geo (not so Surly)… but the Surly is pink and has moar braze-ons. Surly wins despite derp HT and wonky dropouts.
> [@Rhino](#):
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> Rawland Drakar???
No longer being made unfortanately. Nice frames for taller folks, always too big for the likes of me.
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### Author:  [@Rhino](https://fixed.org.au/u/Rhino)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/57 "2014-06-15T23:47:17Z")
Whose is the Rawland Drakar for sale on Gumtree?
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### Author:  [@MikeD](https://fixed.org.au/u/MikeD)
#### Post date: [June 15, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/58 "2014-06-15T23:49:42Z")
> [@Rhino](#):
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> Whose is the Rawland Drakar for sale on Gumtree?
Some dude, Westcoastpete went and checked it out.
Pretty meh build, but great frames. (well except for the milding annoying dropouts)
Edit: I was referring to drakkar dropouts. Surly ones weird.
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### Author:  [@Rhino](https://fixed.org.au/u/Rhino)
#### Post date: [June 16, 2014, 6:17pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/59 "2014-06-16T18:17:51Z")
those dropouts are weird.
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### Author:  [@larfinboy](https://fixed.org.au/u/larfinboy)
#### Post date: [June 16, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/to-straggler-or-not/64060/60 "2014-06-16T18:34:09Z")
Derp
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