# What? No Lance doping thread yet?
**URL:** https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355
**Category:** Pub
**Created:** [May 23, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355 "2011-05-23T20:08:47Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@n81](https://fixed.org.au/u/n81)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/21 "2011-05-23T23:31:01Z")
> [@Captain\_Commuter](#):
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> ‘…illegal at the time…’. Read one way it’s kind of suggesting that he was staying one step ahead of the regulators?
one step is all it takes to be removed from the realm of illegal conduct
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://fixed.org.au/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/22 "2011-05-23T23:38:48Z")
Heavymetal said
> I’m not sure what to think. … But I really want to think that someone out there is clean and racing well through pure talent; as it is I’m not sure we’ll ever know.
I do really think someone out there is clean and racing well through pure talent — and his name is Cadel Evans.
Call me foolish if you like.
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### Author:  [@wjwat1](https://fixed.org.au/u/wjwat1)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/23 "2011-05-23T23:44:15Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Heavymetal said
> I do really think someone out there is clean and racing well through pure talent — and his name is Cadel Evans.
> Call me foolish if you like.
+1.
And don’t forget Philippe Gilbert.
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### Author:  [@horatio](https://fixed.org.au/u/horatio)
#### Post date: [May 23, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/24 "2011-05-23T23:52:17Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Heavymetal said
> I do really think someone out there is clean and racing well through pure talent — and his name is Cadel Evans.
> Call me foolish if you like.
+1
Oh how the tables have turned
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### Author:  [@mr\_dylan](https://fixed.org.au/u/mr_dylan)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 2:44am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/25 "2011-05-24T02:44:53Z")
Yeah I used to not like Cadel, and I’ve never liked Armstrong.
But Armstrong has charisma out the arse compared to Evans.
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### Author:  [@DICE](https://fixed.org.au/u/DICE)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/26 "2011-05-24T03:07:31Z")
Charisma and drugs: A winning combination then eh Dylan?
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### Author:  [@mr\_dylan](https://fixed.org.au/u/mr_dylan)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/27 "2011-05-24T03:33:58Z")
Been working for my dad for 30 years.
Or not working.
I dunno.
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### Author:  [@Max.Power](https://fixed.org.au/u/Max.Power)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 3:54am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/28 "2011-05-24T03:54:09Z")
> [@HeavyMetalCyclist](#):
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> Also, he looks kinda like a shark when he time trials.
I wish I looked like a shark when I rode in time trials.
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### Author:  [@snowflake](https://fixed.org.au/u/snowflake)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 4:21am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/29 "2011-05-24T04:21:12Z")
> [@HeavyMetalCyclist](#):
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> Never liked him, always despised him, he took away sweet, sweet victory from Ullrich, the true God of cycling who ate whatever he wanted and never smiled.
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> Try him, hang him from the yard arm, don’t care. The fact that he doped doesn’t bother me, they all did, it’s the fact that he was so god damn holier than thou the entire time, blasting others when they were caught, and generally being a dick.
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> Also, he looks kinda like a shark when he time trials.
Have you been reading my thoughts again?
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### Author:  [@HeavyMetalCyclist](https://fixed.org.au/u/HeavyMetalCyclist)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/30 "2011-05-24T06:11:28Z")
> [@snowflake](#):
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> Have you been reading my thoughts again?
No need. Just the vibe of your avatar means we will see eye to eye on most things.
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### Author:  [@spirito](https://fixed.org.au/u/spirito)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/31 "2011-05-24T07:06:39Z")
> [@HeavyMetalCyclist](#):
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> The fact that he doped doesn’t bother me, they all did …
Henk Vogels said it best the other night … something to the effect of “he’s been tested over 500 times and come up clean”. The sport of Cycling needed him, yet now the knives are out. Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy it now looks like the “sport” is ready to eat itself.
As far as Lance goes now that everyone has it in for him I like him, when he was everyone’s favourite I was mostly “meh”. Irrespective he’s clearly played the game better than anyone else in recent times and you’d have to be truly naive to think a normal human being could be a pro cyclist without some blurring of the rules. The sport is a facade and we all buy it in some way and since the beginning of the sport men have been using whatever they can to ride the furthest/fastest.
It doesn’t matter, the stakes are too big, it’s just another form of entertainment. Jaques Anquetil (5 time winner of the TdF) long ago said - “What? You think I win my races on sugar alone?”.
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### Author:  [@heavymetal](https://fixed.org.au/u/heavymetal)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/32 "2011-05-24T16:30:59Z")
> [@spirito](#):
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> As far as Lance goes now that everyone has it in for him I like him
Got a thing for bad boys Spizzy? 😉
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### Author:  [@AL9000](https://fixed.org.au/u/AL9000)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/33 "2011-05-24T16:34:31Z")
> [@heavymetal](#):
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> Got a thing for bad boys Spizzy? 😉
He likes me 😉
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### Author:  [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/34 "2011-05-24T17:45:08Z")
good post from another forum which should help clarify things for those who do not know whats going on :
> This is not just about doping. It’s about a criminal enterprise that has defrauded the government for $31million and an insurance carrier for $5million. Along they way they probably facilitated the enterprise with money laundering, tax evasion, bribing foreign officials–a few little things.
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### Author:  [@wjwat1](https://fixed.org.au/u/wjwat1)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/35 "2011-05-24T17:56:20Z")
> [@alexb618](#):
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> good post from another forum which should help clarify things for those who do not know whats going on :
^ The problem with this being, that it is not necessarily the objective of the Feds to ping him for doping. It is entirely possible that the investigation could lead to serious charges, with his results still staying in place (Bjarne Riis anyone).
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### Author:  [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/36 "2011-05-24T18:03:03Z")
> [@wjwat1](#):
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> ^ The problem with this being, that it is not necessarily the objective of the Feds to ping him for doping. It is entirely possible that the investigation could lead to serious charges, with his results still staying in place (Bjarne Riis anyone).
the statute of limitations comes into place anyway, but i think most rational people are less concerned about stripping him of results, and more concerned about finding the truth about corruption in the sport, and in his so called charity.
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### Author:  [@wjwat1](https://fixed.org.au/u/wjwat1)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/37 "2011-05-24T18:08:04Z")
> [@alexb618](#):
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> the statute of limitations comes into place anyway
This isn’t necessarily correct. A lot of the things that could potentially be charged may be classed as continuing acts and there is the ability to bring claims outside of the relevant statutory period, depending on the relevant facts etc.
I agree 100% with you though, most people don’t really care about results being stripped though, just like with this Giro. Everyone will remember Contador smashing everyone else, no matter what the record books are rewritten to say.
Interesting that while all this is happening, LA stands to make a nice wad out of the floating of Sram in the US.
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### Author:  [@alexb618](https://fixed.org.au/u/alexb618)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/38 "2011-05-24T18:13:06Z")
the whole thing reminds me of this
[YouTube - Red Knight’s Going Down! {Cable Guy - Jim Carrey}](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN26CC9kEVI)
yellow guy’s going down!
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### Author:  [@heavymetal](https://fixed.org.au/u/heavymetal)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/39 "2011-05-24T23:14:52Z")
And thanks to our friends at Jens Voigt’s Army: [the Lance Armstrong soundboard.](http://teamjva.com/lance-armstrong-soundboard/)
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### Author:  [@spirito](https://fixed.org.au/u/spirito)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2011, 8:16am UTC](https://fixed.org.au/t/what-no-lance-doping-thread-yet/51355/40 "2011-05-25T08:16:25Z")
> [@heavymetal](#):
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> Got a thing for bad boys Spizzy? 😉
The history of our race, and each individual’s experience, are sown thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal. - Mark Twain
I think it hard to defend or try anyone without knowing the facts, but I look down at the others (Landis, Hamilton etc) who come out with “the truth” when it’s too late and well after the fact, like they suddenly found integrity after their time in the limelight has long since faded. Where was their courage when it counted?
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