FES using 11-speed chains on their track bikes...

http://kappstein.de/en/news/news-single/article/11fach-ketten-am-bahnrad/

Interesting, maybe time to ditch the KMC NJS 1/8 chain folks:

The challenge

In the meantime, the older standard is almost historic. So far most of the professional track cyclists and also the fixed gear cyclists ride the thick and heavy 1/2“ x 1/8“ chains. But why? Why don´t they use more slim chains? It seems that the development in this area hasn´t moved forward till now! Probably some riders had the fear that the slim chains might rip and not withstand the power in their legs. But is there something truth in this theory? Will thinner chains get ripped by strong forces? How many torn 11-speed chains did wee see at MTB competitions where very high torque is directed on to the chain? How often does a 11-speed chain tear at a final sprint or a mountain stage at the Tour de France?

The research issue

The Berlin laboratory FES, the institute for the research and development of sports equipment, is well known for their extremely light and very stiff equipment for example for track frames, speed skating, rowing or bob sleigh. Only a few people have the possibility to use these unbelievable machines for competition or training. Within the framework of an Olympia project, FES raised the same question and got to the bottom of things. Thereby they discovered some interesting scientific findings. 1/2“ x 1/8“ chains are verifiable more tear-resistant and a bit more stiff than thin chains. However humans, even professional cyclists are not able to generate the power to tear a chain! If one wants to rip a 11-speed-no-name-chain, one has to produce a tensile strength of round about 8.8 tons. To get a realistic comparison we took some FES data from a very strong German sprinter. He is able to produce for a very short time round about 2500N. This is awesome and super strong but converted into tons, with a 53T chainring and a 175mm crank it corresponds to about 4.1 tons. Even this super strong cyclist is not able to tear this chain. Furthermore every chain has its own characteristics if you consider the breaking load, stiffness and the mass. FES carried out some detailed tests to ensure that also 11-speed chains run very reliable in the velodrome. This knowledge gave us confidence to start our joined project to establish a 11-speed standard. All in all the propulsion is optimized as a result of the lighter weight and the better aerodynamics. On that score Kappstein named this product line „Pro Line“. At the moment the German national track team is testing the „Pro Line“ in preparation for the Olympic Games 2016.

I can recall that Robbie McEwen used to run 3/32" pitch chains back in the day because they ‘spun up’ faster or the alike.

A lot of the hour record bikes have run 11 speed chains.

Have always wondered why track chains are so heavy duty. If world tour sprinters aren’t snapping chains I’m sure road chains on the track are fine for everyone else (especially us hubbards!)

Same as I see heaps of people say they need pedal straps and heavy duty pedals, wtf Sagan sprinted on standard speed plays for years at cannondale and never pulled a pedal and that’s with road sprints where you are all over the place,
Track sprints are even better as you are “meant” to sprint more smooth with out throwing your bike around.
If you pull a pedal and are under 1700w you are a Hubbard

In reality most people are going to run 1/8" chains/cogs/rings on the track as it is so accessible and standardised. I don’t think that’s going to change for the masses anytime soon.

Dura-Ace (and probably other’s) sprockets have always been available in 3/32, so someone must be running road chains, right?

My Paddywagon came with 3/32 gearing. So ahead of the curve.

P!N20 approved!
Sounds like the wave of the future, what a time to be alive!

WTB: DA NJS 48T chainring 11spd compatible
DA NJS 14T cog 11spd compatible
NJS 11spd chain

Also wanted to buy, left hand drive side complete 11 speed track set up.

NJS of course.

PM Sarah

Yeah buuuut,

Track sprinters, particularly time trialists and match sprinters, have to wind up a massive gear really quickly from either a standing start or a relatively low speed. I’d say this would be the point at which you’d be at most risk of pulling a foot. Road sprinters on the other hand, are already being led out at the speed of light before they start their sprint.

I move that this logical and considered statement be stricken from the record!!

Lol. Seconded. Straps are shit, ban them.

keep going down this: no clipless, no clips and straps…flats and vans for all!!!

Like I said if you can push over 1700w you can run them, under that it’s just too look good.
Haha forgot you ran them Dougy but honestly if Sagan can’t pull out of speed play road you won’t pull out of the track if you do it right.

hahahah yeah, you’re totally right mate.

Two things (excuses) however:
1. I’m consistently getting very close to 1700W (under 100W in it)
2. I feel I get a real psychological gain when I strap in hey… similar to full leathers on a Sports bike and alike, they don’t make you faster and not always safer, but, my body knows it’s go time. y’know bro…

this! confidence in your gear is paramount, strapping in for security is a great idea, you don’t always need a clutched RD for CX, but having it means one less thing to worry about, which means more time/energy to focus on hitting that 1700 barrier