Papa Spirito’s words of truth.
+1
I’m not arguing about bare facts. The little helical metal strips of course add weight. I thought that was a given and that most people know that.
Then again “Most people” you refer to for the most wouldn’t know the difference unless a sticker was present which is why I pointed out that some framebuilders don’t even add them. It’s also been shown that very few people would know the difference when riding frames “blind” and not aware of the frame material.
We (me too !!) are all guilty of evaluating performance or quality of bikes by what the technical numbers suggest. I’m just pointing out it matters the least and none of us will be able to measure or compare to any exacting level. I’ll always suggest the bike that appeals in colour is probably a more valid a benchmark to measure by.
I’m 2 minds about replying because this has strayed far off the original point I was getting at. Greenmachine was unsure of his frame material, and I thought that assuming it was SLX based on weight of another bike was misguided.
If you want to know if your bike is SLX or not, the helical strips are a very good place to start, as you say Spirito, it is next to impossible to determine from the ride.
But, in response to what you are trying to convey, Spirito, I don’t think it’s black and white between weight and ride quality. Obviously, a compromise is going to give the best results.
Jono, you could beat fingerbang up Huez if his bike was heavy enough.
I’m 2 minds about replying because this has strayed far off the original point I was getting at. Greenmachine was unsure of his frame material, and I thought that assuming it was SLX based on weight of another bike was misguided.
If you want to know if your bike is SLX or not, the helical strips are a very good place to start, as you say Spirito, it is next to impossible to determine from the ride.
But, in response to what you are trying to convey, Spirito, I don’t think it’s black and white between weight and ride quality. Obviously, a compromise is going to give the best results.
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To illustrate the point, Jono, you could beat fingerbang up Huez if his bike was heavy enough.
Also shape of all the tubes/forks. but meh i don’t really care if it’s columbus at all. it’s sweet, rides sweet and is obviously a quality piece of workmanship, right down to the paint.
Back on topic, just need to get Ian_humanxX to sort me out with some team z decals and it’ll be good as gold.
Yeah sorry, that makes you sound like a nufty, which wasn’t my intent… actually your thinking SL is SLX and vice versa based on appearance is a very accurate obeservation: from that chart link, they are the only 2 tubesets with the same dimensions.
Nice bike. I’m on your side… I have a steel frame with modern components and think it’s the duck’s nuts.
+1 I have a steel roadie built up modern (WW style) and it’s fucken spectaular
If you want to improve the ride a lot get rid of the steel forks and get a nice carbon fork.
You can still find alpha-Q forks in 1" on the bay
Stay away from 1" easten and look forks they are pretty flexy!
wound ups are ace too but a little heavy…
Perhaps you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. There’s no way I’d ever think that heavier bikes ride better. I was merely stating that I’d rather a heavier bike made by a craftsman who understands geometry and the different elements that make a bike fun to ride than a dog (and I’ve ridden plenty) that’s with superlight tubing, and handles woefully. The latter is most every production frame I’ve ridden be it steel, carbon or alu Mix. Yeah they’re light but big deal, I could lose weight easily but the bike would still be shit to ride.
And for the record there’s plenty of light bikes that are also well made and ride beautifully. Ride is a function of geometry, wheelbase, weight balance, handling and steering. Weight has little or nothing to do with how a bike rides, and what one person likes may not work for another so is hard to quantify and difficult to articulate.
I love how you cats walked into shot and then gone “ow nose I comes back later”, or is that just me.
No, haha I saw that after I posted it and had a chuckle. NSNYC would have a laugh, as he does about all the dismembered hands and other body parts.
sunny pics up
Do like, very much!! Maybe I’ll eventually put a current groupo on my Hillman. Good food for thought.
Top tube is freaking longg! It hurts my back even when I’m just looking at it. And the setback seatpost! How tall are you?
59cm tt, got dialed in on it and had to put a longer stem on! 191cm to answer your question. Comfiest bike i’ve ridden fo’ sure.
flip it over and if its SLX it will be stamped next to, or below, the frame size eg: 59 SLX, or 56 C, on the bb shell.
all billato lemonds are stamped this way i think.
Classy road frame irrespective of the material.
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this bike is totally sweet, nice job.
EDIT: We saw you ride through Edi gardens last night and with all the green of the park, it made the colours on the LeMond really pop!